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Polar cities for survivors of global warming in future?

Postby danbloom on Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:32 am

http://sfgirl-thealiennextdoor.blogspot.com/2008/02/polar-citiesfriday-feature.html

In the future, we might need polar cities. Read this blog entry and comment pro or con. What's your POV on this idea and these images :?:

http://pcillu101.blogspot.com

Polar Cities

blogged by Nina Munteanu, Canada SF writer:


In The Revenge of Gaia (2006), James Lovelock describes a dark future when heating suddenly escalates because of positive feedback. Says reviewer, Richard Mabey of the Times: “At the current rate, global temperatures will rise by nearly three degrees in the next 50 years. At this point, the rainforests begin to die, releasing vast new amounts of carbon dioxide. Algae fail in the ocean and stop generating cooling clouds and absorbing carbon. The Greenland glacier goes into meltdown, releasing enough water to flood many of the world’s cities. Crop failures, human migrations, the emergence of “brutal war-lords” follow. We know the story, but not in our “real world” minds. Global heating is not yet part of our collective unconscious in the way the bomb was.” At some point in his dissertation, Lovelock describes the ragtag journey to and survival of a few humans in the Arctic, the last hospitable place on the planet.


But, as they make their journey there, what do they see? Clusters of modular Polar Cities, designed for this very catastrophe, nestled in the natural fabric of the arctic’s environment. Someone was prepared!

For my Friday Feature, I explore the concept of “Polar Cities” with Dan Bloom, founder of Polar Cities Research Institute. In January, 2007, Bloom assembled a team to set up a Model Polar City Project to design and build a model polar city. The city will be built in Longyearbyen, Norway, in 2012 and will be ready for its first volunteer residents by 2015. The project will house up to 100 volunteer residents with the ability to expand.

Bloom, a Tufts grad, 1971, lives in Taiwan, where he teaches English and has served as a reporter, editor and author. He credits his idea for polar cities on the writings of James Lovelock, who claimed that global heating was likely to produce an apocalyptic six-degree C. rise in the global average temperature before the end of the century. “Life goes on as usual here in Taiwan,” Bloom contends. “No one is doing anything and they don’t want to talk about it.” Fired with a mission to educate at the least and prepare us at the most, Bloom assembled his team and began to design in earnest, commissioning some interesting illustrations of various aspects such as living quarters, recreational centre, eateries, etc., pictured throughout this post.

Bloom was lately featured in Gizmodo, one of the top 10 blogs (by Technorati authority), who called Bloom a “visionary futurist” then went on to say that it all sounded a little Dr. Evil or just plain far-fetched. Polar cities is an idea many climate change experts refuse to consider, saying that to imagine such a future was not productive when humanity needs to focus on “how the world can drastically reduce greenhouse gas emissions.”
Bloom insists that he is not a doomsayer or a gloom-and-doom survivalist, but rather “an eternal optimist who cares about the future of humankind.” Bloom confided in Stephen Leahy at IPSNews that “I’m going to spend the last years of my life pushing this idea of polar cities to wake people up. I don’t care if people call me crazy.”

One of those people might be Franklyn Griffiths, Professor Emeritus of Political Science and George Ignatieff Chair of Peace and Conflict Studies at the University of Toronto. Referring to Lovelock’s Revenge of Gaia (2006), Griffiths laments the use of clever technology and new-science to solve global warming without an associated paradigm change: “To think of [preserving] civilization [as we know it] in the Arctic is to have learned nothing. It is to dwell on hard science when it is humanity, its practices, and how to alter them that should have first claim on our attention. The new prevailing narrative ought to be one … in which we treat nature with renewed respect and, in so doing, see whether we might reinvent what it means to be civilized.”

Bloom wasn’t the first person to conceive of polar cities. In January 25, 1959 the Chicago Tribune ran this picture of the “Polar City of the Future” as part of the Closer Than We Think! Series. Said the Tribune: “…How would isolated polar cities ringed by icebergs and mountains be supplied? Our armed forces have a solution—the dirigible. Recently the Navy told how its blimp Z PG-2 successfully flew food and other supplies to an ice island team of scientists only 500 miles from the North Pole.” Now this is the stuff of good old fashioned science fiction!
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Postby Hydrotopia on Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:51 pm

It would be classic if the response to GW was a Siberian Arctic coast land rush as the new Riviera...
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Postby danbloom on Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:04 pm

Hydrotopia wrote:It would be classic if the response to GW was a Siberian Arctic coast land rush as the new Riviera...


You know, I get many emails with jokes like this, about buying real estate up north, etc., and yes, it's funny, too. Humor helps here.

Also, in reality, some major governments are also trying to claim land claims in the Arctic, did you notice? Russia? Canada? USA? Norway? It could get "hot" up there, in terms of geo-politics.

But it won't be a new Riviera at all. Life up there in northern safety refuges will be nasty, brutish and short, quite possibly, and also, despite the current nickname of "polar cities" these "human population retreats" will not be at the poles or even near the shorts, but in highland areas of the Arctic Circle region, from Alaska to Norway to Russia.

The real point here is that 1. this is not a prediction , just speculation, in the face of rising CO2 levels and James Lovelock's predictions of "breeding pairs" in the Arctic in the far distant future ... AND ....2. should we, or some international committee, be already planning, designing and siting these so-called polar cities for the year 2500, if need be, and should we also start debating such questions as:

1. who gets in
2. who guards them and how
3. how are the residents fed and fueled
4. how long will people have to endure in these retreats, 4 generations, 30 generations, how long?
5. are these retreats a good adaptation strategy for global warming's events in the future, yes or no?
7. or should we just go on with our daily lives and if there's no tomorrow?
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Postby danbloom on Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:10 pm

Also, this is what top experts in the science and climate fields have been telling me this past 12 months since I started this "project" --



The following quotes are from genuine emails from real scientists and experts in the field of climate change and scientific research. Since the emails to me were private emails and not intended for publication with their names attached, I have decided to keep their actual names private, keeping with international standards of Internet etiquette.

-- Danny Bloom



Professor A: "If it comes to that, in the far distant future, as you say, we probably won't have the social stability to
sustain such advanced developments as 'polar cities'."


Professor B: "While I think that polar cities might surface as a reasonable model for future habitation, I'm still not ready to give up on reorganizing ourselves in the lower latitudes just yet. In other words, given the warming scenarios, why not simply reconstruct sustainable (and, most especially equitable) kinds of communities in northern Canada, Alaska, Siberia, Russia Scandinavia?"

Professor C: "With the movement of grain belts north, and the thawing of lots of open ground, wouldn't it be much easier, less costly and accommodate many more of global warming 'refugees; if we were to build closed-loop, sustainable communities in the north -- but above ground? Are your polar cities above ground or below ground?"


Professor D: "Sir, your notion of polar cities for survivors of global warming in the distant future is quite provocative -- and most interesting. My real hope is that it will help prod the conversation in the direction it needs to go. If it serves that purpose, that, alone, will be a considerable achievement."


Professor E: "I doubt I would have any useful comments to make on something 400 years from now. However, people are clever and will create for themselves very interesting living conditions as time goes on."

Professor F: "I had not heard of this idea until now. If we do not halt global warming, it is probable that by 2500 the polar areas will be quite warm. It will probably take many thousands of years to melt all the ice in Antarctica, but the northern tundra of Canada and Siberia may become more habitable and it may indeed be possible to establish cities there. However, most of the tropical and all the temperate zones will also still be habitable. In any case most people are not likely to try to make plans more than 100 years ahead."

Professor G: "The last time the Earth was this warm with high levels of CO2 was the Cretaceous Era, and at that time the temperature was not much hotter in the tropics than at the poles, so yes, I think James Lovelock is wrong. Of course we don't want to wait and see, do we? There is still a chance of stopping things before they go too far. Keep up your work, but please don't send me more questions as I have a lot of other emails and so forth to deal with."

Professor H: "If we don't take action immediately to begin reducing GHG emissions, we could end up with a planet that has habitable zones only at high latitudes. However, we probably should not forget about global warming's twin, global cooling, who still may be lurking up the road. I'm inclined to think, however, that global warming is going to carry the day as various positive feedbacks kick in. Regarding 'polar cities', I'm unclear about how long it will take the tundra to transition to a non-frozen, heavy weight bearing state, which I suppose would be necessary for construction to progress. When tundra melts, how long does it take for the muck to solidify into weight bearing soil?"

Professor I: "Civilization can gradually move to higher latitudes and altitudes. The
required times are a century more, so this will happen naturally, almost
imperceptably. This sort of shift has happened in the past as climate
has changed, leaving behind archeological sites. The world is full of
ghost towns that were populated hundreds or thousands of years ago.
Famous examples are Pompeii and Ostia Antica near Rome and the abandoned
farmsteads on Greenland, but Europe is full of them (often plowed under
by modern agriculture). Moving to the poles is more remote (the North Pole is under water). Note the global warming warms the winters, not the summers, so that
the present tropics and temperate latitudes will not become uninhabitable."


Professor J: "We'll adapt to a warmer climate. In the late Middle Ages, this is
called a Climatic Optimum. Cities naturally turn over their
infrastructure on a time of 50 -- 100 years, so the cost of moving
inland (uphill) is not prohibitive compared to the ordinary costs of
maintaining a living city."

Professor K: "Global warming warms cold winters. It doesn't affect hot places or hot
summers. Nothing is going to become uninhabitable, although places already
very hot (Death Valley, Persian Gulf, Sahara, etc.) will remain so."


Professor L: "Thank you for sending me the polar city images you have created. It may very well happen and soon."


Professor M: "As for James Lovelock and his predictions, he doesn't understand climate or
physics. He only knows that doomsaying sells books, and he won't live to
be proven wrong."

Professor N: "I am an optimist on human adaptability because history shows that humans
(and ecosystems) adapt to change. The details may be a problem (arctic and
alpine species may go extinct, millions may die in floods in Bangldesh,
though this is avoidable with sensible planning and preparation, many
coastal cities will be abandoned, etc.) but humanity will survive. If
Eskimos can survive the arctic, Bedouin the Arabian desert and various
Indian tribes the Amazon, all with stone-age technology, humanity as a
whole will survive the climate of the next 500 years, whatever it will
be. The Earth won't turn into Venus."

Professor O: "We cannot plan for future centuries ahead because technology will change so much.
Suppose we tried to plan in 1900 for cities of today -- 2008. Big apartment houses,
a small grocery on every block, ice factories in every neighborhood, express
streetcar lines everywhere, lots of TB sanitaria and isolation wards for new
immigrants, utility poles for thousands of telephone wires everywhere..."

Professor P: "I think I will pass
for the time being on writing about your polar cities idea, unless you
have some funding or other form of high-level backing...it's thought
provoking but the idea of future generations having to move to the
arctic in a few hundred years time makes me shiver, and I fear it may
sound scaremongering to others."

Professor Q: "Je crois que James Lovelock exagere peu etre un peu trop. Bien que ce
scenario reste plausible, il serait dommage que nous ne pourrions pas
changer le futur plus que ca. J'ai bien lu le livre de Mr. Lovelock et je
crois qu'il a bien dessine les possibilites atroces qui peuvent nous
attendre. Je ne crois pas d'autres parts que ses predictions nefastes qui
sont dominantes dans la derniere partie de son livre sont croyables, surtout
que celles-ci ne sont pas basees sur des recherches scientifiques assez
valables. Votre scenario de ville futuristique enfin est intrigant et, souhaitons le,
ne sera pas necessaire."

Professor S -- [Sergey Zimov, Russia, Northeast Station, Siberia]: "Thank you for your interest to the topic.
I would say yes, the world might need 'Polar Cities' some time. I think
it can happen earlier than 2500."

Professor T: "Climate change will come upon us far more rapidly than that! Year 2500 is too generous. It will happen much quicker than that! And you can quote me on that!"

Professor U: "Polar cities are a fine idea. I am sure there will be more urbanization near the poles as the Earth warms. Of course we need some planning, but it is just not something I have given much thought to. There is a guy in Holland who is promoting floating cities, so there are all kinds of ideas out there. I am a little busy to give a lot of attention to every idea."

Professor V: "I think the polar cities might surface as a reasonable model for
future habitation. But I'm not ready to give up on reorganizing
ourselves in the lower latitudes just yet."

Professor W: "I have a daughter, and in my bones I am afraid for her and her children."

Professor X: "I think the futuristic look of the polar cities graphics is blinding us to the reality that we already have "polar cities" - in Russia and Alaska. The cities portrayed somehow suggest an alien ice enviroment, but with global warming the area will actually be more human friendly."

Professor Y: "It is not productive to talk about polar cities now, when humanity needs to focus on how the
world can drastically reduce greenhouse gas emissions. It's silly to think 200 or 300 years into future, it's more useful to
think 20 or 30 years out."

Professor Z: "If your ideas alert the public to the real dangers of climate change and global warming, then your project is a good one. But who knows what life will be like 500 from now. It might be too late by then."
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Postby danbloom on Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:39 pm

When I queried a reporter in the UK about the possibility of his reporting on this story of polar cities, he wrote back:

"Hi Danny, -- I think this one is a bit far out for me at the moment.
I know sea level rise is expected to top 70-80cm this century -- which a helluva lot, esp for Egypt etc, but not quite enuff to have us emigrating to live under the arctic yet I think. So I will have to pass on this story for now. Maybe later. Keep in touch."
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Postby danbloom on Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:40 pm

News about "polar cities" in non-English languages worldwide

JAPANESE:

「Polar City」:地球温暖化時代をガチに生き抜こうとするとこうなる

地球温暖化の問題があちこちで取り上げられていますが、ここに誰よりも何よりもその問題について真剣に対策を考えている人がいます。

温暖化の結果、今ある地球上の土地はどんどん海中に沈んでいきます。ではわれわれはどこに住めばよいのか? 
Dan Bloom さんが提案するのは「Polar City」です。「Polar」は極という意味ですから、北極または南極にイラストのような施設を建てて皆で住もうということのようです。
なお、Danさんは別に学者でもなんでもなく、アメリカの一般市民。自分でリリースも発表したそうで、真剣度はかなりのものですね。




http://netallica.yahoo.co.jp/news/22748

http://www.gizmodo.jp/2008/01/post_2971.html


http://dti.seoparts.com/news/entry/2008 ... z-ent.html


http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20080 ... ----------

SPANISH 1: Ciudades Polares

http://valdeperrillos.com/books/materia ... tras-cosas

Dan Bloom, miembro de la UCS, tuvo una fuente de revelación

La idea de las ciudades polares me vino gracias a James Lovelock - otro que tal y cual - desde que predijo que en el futuro los únicos supervivientes al calentamiento global serían unos 200 millones de seres humanos que habrán de emigrar a las regiones polares Concluye Dan Bloom que esta emigración es práctica, necesaria e imperativa. :-)
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SPANISH 2:
La visión de Dan Bloom: La casa Polar

Iluminación y refrigeración
Finalmente, nuestro cálido hogar debería contar con un sistema de iluminación aprovechando la luz de la superficie y un buen uso de los materiales de reflexión para evitar el calentamiento de la vivienda. Proyectos como el de “Glass House” o la “Ciudad Polar” propuesta por Dan Bloom ya están encaminados a desarrollar las mejores formas de aprovechar los recursos, reciclarlos, y lograr un ambiente habitable de bajo consumo.


http://www.neoteo.es/tabid/54/ID/5042/T ... fault.aspx

http://www.pastorumba.com/index2.php?op ... f=1&id=672.

http://amlat.oneworld.net/article/searc ... earch.y=10
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SPANISH 3:

CAMBIO CLIMÁTICO: Dos ambientes, vista al iceberg y oso guardián


http://www.mta.udg.mx/contenidos/419/ (IPS report by Stephen Leahy in translation)

TORONTO, ene (IPS) - Dan Bloom cree que es tiempo de pensar cómo const ruir ciudades autosuficientes en las regiones polares, porque el cambi o climático volverá eventualmente inhabitable a la mayor parte del pla neta. Las ciudades polares podrían ser "la única posibilidad de supervivenc ia para la humanidad si el recalentamiento global se vuelve una catást rofe en el futuro lejano", señaló a IPS. Bloom no es un científico ni experto de ninguna clase, sino un ciudad ano estadounidense de casi 60 años que vive en Taiwán enseñando inglés .

http://blog.fmrockandpop.com/home.aspx? ... isiteid=35

http://www.sonowebs.com/play.php?id=2bd ... cbfe110302

http://ipsterraviva.org/LA/viewstory.asp?idnews=1117

http://ipsnoticias.net/nota.asp?idnews=87072

http://buscar.terra.com.ar/Default.aspx ... rce=Search



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SPANISH 3:

El recalentamiento global derrota en nosotros con el fuego(incendio) de mil sol, y pronto, la frialdad ártica de parecido mil millones de tormentas perfectas. ¿Independientemente de lo que debe Jake Gyllenhaal hacer? Escóndase en una Ciudad Polar, por supuesto. Previsto por “” Dan Bloom futurista visionario — como él sabe que él es un visionario a menos que él, de hecho, sea un — la primera ciudad polar modela comenzará la construcción en 2012 en Noruega, “con el voluntario que prueba la ocupación” comenzando en 2015. Y no, usted odio de la tierra, lacayos de Bush "recalentamiento global negar", él no es un "pequeño doctor Evil,” “llanura rebuscada” “o un soñador de día wacko sólo(justo) solitario.” Él nos dice así en el comunicado de prensa self-authored, que tenemos abajo. (Leído el poste lleno(pleno) sobre ‘Ciudades Polares para Pasado Mañana Sobrevivientes Will Salva a Todos nosotros de Muertes Horribles [Hay cuenta(proyecto de la ley,billete de banco) de Esperanza’ …)


http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:IA ... clnk&cd=28

Las Ciudades Polares para Pasado Mañana Sobrevivientes Will Salva a Todos nosotros de Muertes Horribles [Hay cuenta(proyecto de la ley,billete de banco) de Esperanza’ …)

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ITALIAN: The city of the future

http://www.edicolaweb.net/atlan19a.htm

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French:

Une cité polaire pour le jour d’après le réchauffement climatique



Le réchauffement climatique fond sur nous comme neige au soleil, et nous prédit un avenir constellé de canicules, de fonte des neiges mais aussi de violentes tempêtes.

Un petit groupe a décidé de réagir, et a imaginé une cité polaire bâtie autour de la vision futuriste de Dan Bloom. La construction de la première cité polaire devrait démarrer dès 2012, et accueillir les premiers “occupants-testeurs volontaires” dès 2015.

Polar City, ville d?un futur ?réchauffé?? »
Cette idée de ville polaire me fait froid dans le dos… Et si? Et si le réchauffement climatique empêchait la vie dans certaines régions du monde? Le pire peut-il arriver? La Terre va-t-elle se réchauffer?

Des questions que Dan Bloom se posent sans arrêt et qui a fini par avoir eu raison de sa “raison”… Désolé pour le jeu de mot, mais ne vous en faites pas il n’a pas peur qu’on le traite de fou, la preuve en images:

C’est une ville du future, près du cercle polaire Arctique, énergies renouvelables, infrastructure de transport, et agriculture bio sont au programme. Même si le projet est louable, je vais tout faire pour ne pas y vivre, c’est d’un glauque…

Pour ceux qui sont intéressés, les travaux commencent en 2012, et vous pourrez y vivre à partir de 2015… Pour ma part je vais tenter de convaincre le monde de changer! Oui je suis optimiste pas vous??


D’autres photos de ce rêve né de l’anticipation d’un cauchemar après le saut.


http://www.matoumba.net/sitefdd5673c861 ... tique.html

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KOREAN:

http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:Qi ... lnk&cd=365

http://kdaq.empas.com/qna/view.html?n=6362641

http://blog.daum.net/_blog/BlogView.do? ... story_home

가이아 이론’으로 유명한 영국 과학자 제임스 러브록은 지구 온난화가 진행되면 지구의 대부분 지역이

불모지가 될 것이라고 주장해왔다. 이산화탄소의 배출과 그에 따라 전지구적인 기온 상승은 인류에게 단

하나의 선택지만을 남긴다. 북극 지역에 생존의 터전을 세워야 한다는 것이다. 이런 이론에서 탄생한

개념이 ‘극지방 도시 polar cities'이다.

제임스 러브록의 주장은 찬반논란을 불러일으켰다. 공상과학 소설 속 이야기 같다는 반박과 함께 피할 수 없는 미래의 현실일 가능성도 충분하다는 옹호론이 대립해왔다. 한편 제임스 러브록의 아이디어에 찬성하는

미국인 댄 블룸은 자신의 블로그에서 북극에 세울 도시의 모습을 형상화하기 시작했다.
댄 블룸은 과학자가 아니다. 타이완에 거주하는 영어 강사이다. 그러나 그의 열정은 뜨거웠다.

그가 자신의 아이디어를 과학자와 언론인들에게 소개했다. 인터넷을 통해서도 적극 홍보해왔다.

해외 네티즌 사이에서 큰 화제를 모아 온 ‘북극 도시’ 프로젝트가 가시화 단계에 들어섰다는 내용의 보도 자료가 나와 다시 한 번 주목을 받고 있다. 한 기업이 후원을 약속했으며 도시 계획자, 엔지니어, 환경 운동가 등이 참여를 결정했으며, 2012년 모델 건물을 노르웨이 롱위에아르뷔엔에 세우기 시작할 것이고 2015년부터는

자원자들이 거주하게 될 것이라고 한다.

댄 블룸은 수만 명을 수용할 도시들을 노르웨이 스웨덴 러시아 미국(알래스카) 캐나다 등 북극에 가까운 지역에 세우는 비전을 갖고 있다. 각 도시에는 공공시설과 개인들의 수면 및 레저시설 그리고 작물과 나무를 기를 온실 농장이 갖추어질 게 될 것이라고. 이와 같은 계획을 전해들은 제임스 러브록은 감사를 표하고 북극 도시가 머지않아 현실화될 것이라고 답했다.

가이아이론’으로유명한영국과학자제임스러브록은지구온난화가진행되면지구의대부분지역이불모지가될것이라고주장해왔다.이산화탄소의배출과그에따라전지구적인기온상승은인류에단하나의선택지만을남긴다.북극지역에 생존의 터전을 세워야 한다는 것이다.이런이론에서탄생한개념이‘극지방도시polar cities'이다.제임스러브록의주장은찬반논란을불러일으켰다.공상과학소설속이야기와같다는반박과함께피할 수없는미래의현실일가능성도충분하다는옹호론이대립해왔다.한편제임스러브록의 아이디어에찬성하는미국인댄블룸은자신의블로그에서북극에세울도시의모습을형상화하기시작했다.댄블룸은과학자가아니다.타이완에거주하는영어강사이다.그러나 그의열정은뜨거웠다.그가자신의아이디어를과학자와언론인들에게소개했다.인터넷을 통해서도 적극 홍보해왔다.댄블룸은수만명을수용할도시들을노르웨이스웨덴러시아미국캐나다등북극에가까운지역에세우는비전을갖고있다.각도시에는공공시설과개인들의수면및레저시설그리고작물과나무를기를온실농장이갖추어질게될것이라고말했다.
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Postby hillsidedigger on Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:43 pm

If things get so bad that only the far North is habitable, I think it will be at vey low population densities, so no cities with the largest groupings of people to be no more than small villages.

Even now, people would be far better off at densities of no greater than 40 per square mile, anywhere, so having very little long term impact on the world.
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Postby danbloom on Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:51 pm

hillsidedigger wrote:If things get so bad that only the far North is habitable, I think it will be at vey low population densities, so no cities with the largest groupings of people to be no more than small villages.

Even now, people would be far better off at densities of no greater than 40 per square mile, anywhere, so having very little long term impact on the world.


HSD, you are correct. These won't really be "cities" and they won't be in the North Pole area, but more like sustainable population retreats, from Colorado to Montana to Bankff and Churchill and Fairbanks, and points in between, and yes, much much smaller than cities. Villages, yes. I am just using the polar cities TERM as a quick shorthand. But it's much more, or less, than polar cities. Just a catchy word for now. Thanks for your feedback.

An architect in NYC emailed me today:

"Hey Dan,
Thank you. And yes I had seen your idea - very provocative! I think they do get peoples attention and I've seen them mentioned in many places. I'm an architect actually and my only concern with them conceptually is that they seem to be designed more for the inhospitable climate the poles are now. In the future they will be more like Vermont or Montana - I don't think they'll need to be "self-contained". I think they will need to be self-sustaining though.....perhaps like what McDonough is trying to do in China: McDhttp://www.mcdonoughpartners.com/pro ... ID=liuzhou
But I applaud your thoughtfulness and creativity in the Polar Cities - it is great work.
Best,"
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Postby danbloom on Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:34 pm

See? This Doomsday Vault thing in Norwray is waking people up too:

"I find this whole notion rather disturbing. Have we really reached the point in our society where we need a seed vault in the Arctic? I thought I was well informed — I live in New York and work in academia, I read the NYT faithfully, I travel. I guess I need to read more on this seed situation. Apparently it is quite dire."

— Posted by Jill on Dot earth today
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Postby inkabinkaboo182 on Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:53 pm

My 2 cents: it's not likely that global warming will lead to an all-out apocalypse that people like Lovelock predict. However, it's possible. And it's worth looking into survival techniques, like these polar cities.
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Postby danbloom on Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:56 pm

inkabinkaboo182 wrote:My 2 cents: it's not likely that global warming will lead to an all-out apocalypse that people like Lovelock predict. However, it's possible. And it's worth looking into survival techniques, like these polar cities.


Ross, I agree with you. I hope it does not happen, and it's not likely to happen, But best to be prepared anywhere, and anyway, the discussion of these issues can lead to new insights. yes. thanks for comment. good point. are aren't Ross G in boston are you?

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Postby danbloom on Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:57 pm

Another chilling comment from DOT EARTH readers:

"Reading your NYTImes blog article, and looking at the picture of the seed vault, it conjures images of post-catastrophe sci-fi novels. Passed this first impression, as in any insurance policy, it brings comforting reassurance, yet hints at a possible disaster. This is not because you have a home insurance policy that you flood your house. This is only one part of the solution. "

OUCH!
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Postby danbloom on Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:48 pm

1. Regarding the recent news on the Bloomsday Vault, er, Doomsday Vault, up in
Norway. The photo of the entrance to that seed bank has been printed
in newspapers and magazines around the world, in addition to being
seen by millions on TV via BBC and CNN, and I feel that that "image"
of a so-called Doomsday Vault in case of severe global warming
"events" in the future has served as a huge wake up call for the world
about the reality of global warming. So the seeds aside, that photo is
really worth a thousand words. In its own way, the Seed Vault has
prepared people for seeing (and comprehending) images of possible
polar cities for survivors of global warming,
too.

-- Danny
SEED VAULT POST:
http://northwardho.blogspot.com
POLAR CITY IMAGES:
http://pcillu101.blogspot.com
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