Hello,
My message is that deforestation can be stopped by massive tree planting, and at the same time give a great contribution to the solution of the carbon problem. You can even be carbon neutral! If you plant the right kind of tree at the right place now, it will be very valuable in a short time, because the big investors soon will realize that here is big money! The signal goes from government to government: plant trees, stop deforestation, do something to the greenhouse gases! What a signal! What an opportunity for tree investors! Beat the big investors before they come with their big money!
I want to sell you a tree from forestry company Better Globe (Norwegian company) to be planted in Kenya and by this give you an opportunity to earn good money! Better Globe promises at least 11 times(the same as 13 per cent interest each year!) of what you paid, during the next 20 years, may be more if prices continue to rise. (and I strongly believe they will, as they have done the last century (appr. 5 % annually)) One tree costs 15 € (app.USD 18). Gives you back 169 €. This is not a scam! Any investment is of course risky, but this concept is safer than money in bank, in my opinion. And everyone can afford $ 18.
Kenya is almost deforested, only 2 per cent forests left. They need billions of new trees! New irrigation methods and very skilled staff have greatly improved methods of planting trees and making them grow big. Good trees. Mahogany trees. Sustainable trees. Do not compete with food production (water supply) as roots go deep before they spread. In fact, trees will help food production!
Deforestation is a problem for us all, do something about it and at the same time make money! Tropical timber is sold at high prices. Perfect for gifts to people who have "everything". ( I can support you with a nice gift card to be printed on your printer).
http://www.betterglobe.com/8812
Jon
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Does money grow on trees? Yes, literally!
by joniboe on Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:56 am
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Re: Does money grow on trees? Yes, literally!
by sustain-able on Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:26 pm
How do I know that this is not a scam? Sounds too good to be true...
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Re: Does money grow on trees? Yes, literally!
by joniboe on Fri May 01, 2009 7:11 pm
Hello again,
Too good to be true...... let me say it this way:
Trees are the best way to increase your savings, because during the years 1973-2002, managed timber gave about 15 % annual returns as an investment, while stocks gave a return of 11 %. Without any doubt trees have been a tremendous way of saving money for those who think in long terms.
The value increase in two ways: They increas as they grow. Tree prices have have also increased by approximately 5 % for decades.
When it comes to tropical trees, these will probably get a dramatical increase in value during the next 20 years. Why? Here are some reasons:
* More than 90 % of the original forests in West Africa are temporarily lost.
* In Africa, only 1 tree is planted for each 28th that is cut.
* Demand for tropical wood has risen 25 times since 1960, and is still increasing.
* More and more governments ban logging in rainforests. Supply of tropical wood has to come from plantations in the future. Today only 1 % of tropical wood comes from plantations.
* Countries like Japan, England and USA are today among the largest consumers of wood. In the future however, countries like China and India, with a population many times the size of the three mentioned countries combined, will have an enormous increasing demand for wood as their economy grow
Some figures for comparison:
In Japan every person consumes about 242 kilos per year, while the consumption in India is still only about 3 kilos a person a year.
Because of the facts mentioned above the prices of tropical timber and harvestable products from the different trees will probably increase enormously within the next 20–30 years.
If you buy 1 tree at 15 Euro ($ 18), you receive minimum this as profit during the next 20 years: 169 Euro.
But of course, every investment is risky, but I think this one is moderate. The risk is much diminished by for instance: Planting one tree means planting two trees, so when Better Globe (officially) says that 100,000 trees have been planted, in fact 200,000 trees have been planted. Many other measures have also been taken to diminish the risk.
Jon
Too good to be true...... let me say it this way:
Trees are the best way to increase your savings, because during the years 1973-2002, managed timber gave about 15 % annual returns as an investment, while stocks gave a return of 11 %. Without any doubt trees have been a tremendous way of saving money for those who think in long terms.
The value increase in two ways: They increas as they grow. Tree prices have have also increased by approximately 5 % for decades.
When it comes to tropical trees, these will probably get a dramatical increase in value during the next 20 years. Why? Here are some reasons:
* More than 90 % of the original forests in West Africa are temporarily lost.
* In Africa, only 1 tree is planted for each 28th that is cut.
* Demand for tropical wood has risen 25 times since 1960, and is still increasing.
* More and more governments ban logging in rainforests. Supply of tropical wood has to come from plantations in the future. Today only 1 % of tropical wood comes from plantations.
* Countries like Japan, England and USA are today among the largest consumers of wood. In the future however, countries like China and India, with a population many times the size of the three mentioned countries combined, will have an enormous increasing demand for wood as their economy grow
Some figures for comparison:
In Japan every person consumes about 242 kilos per year, while the consumption in India is still only about 3 kilos a person a year.
Because of the facts mentioned above the prices of tropical timber and harvestable products from the different trees will probably increase enormously within the next 20–30 years.
If you buy 1 tree at 15 Euro ($ 18), you receive minimum this as profit during the next 20 years: 169 Euro.
But of course, every investment is risky, but I think this one is moderate. The risk is much diminished by for instance: Planting one tree means planting two trees, so when Better Globe (officially) says that 100,000 trees have been planted, in fact 200,000 trees have been planted. Many other measures have also been taken to diminish the risk.
Jon
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Re: Does money grow on trees? Yes, literally!
by greenteadrinker on Fri May 01, 2009 8:10 pm
sustain-able wrote:How do I know that this is not a scam? Sounds too good to be true...
As with all purchases via the Internet or home stores=buyer beware.
Do your research. If you find several sites that recommend this course of action; go for it.
But know what you're buying, where the money is going, and who will profit; before you
purchase (anything) goods, especially in today's market.
here are many sites for tree plantings.
And joniboe? Could you supply more links/recommendations?
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle, 1855
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Re: Does money grow on trees? Yes, literally!
by joniboe on Tue May 05, 2009 6:38 am
There is a big difference between Better Globe and other tree planting organisations, and that difference lies in in which areas the trees are planted. One thing is planting tropical trees in areas where precipitation is in ambundance and comes when expected, quite another thing, and far more difficult, is planting trees in arid and semi-arid areas. This last thing is exactly what Better Globe is doing and even is expecting to have great success by doing.
Why does Better Globe want to do so? Because to Better Globe this is not only a matter of giving profit to those buying trees, it is also a matter of giving substancial contributions to the solution of two of the most serious problems of the world, poverty and the carbon problem. This is done by using vast deforested and degraded areas and turn it into fertile land, to the benefit of the environment, both locally and globally. At the same time it gives working possibilities and a new hope for the future in many African countries.This is quite a vision! An organisation aiming at such goals, in order to match the enormous challenges it has to overcome, therefore needs a team of leaders and workers that is both visionaire and has skills and integrity. And Better Globe has!
The slogan of Better Globe is Making money - doing good, and it reflects exactly the visions of Better Globe. Both tree buyers and donators are welcome. Tree buyers buy trees, of course, donators give, on a monthly base, away trees to poor African farmers, and in addition to this - amounts to school building and to a micro finance fund. Combinations of these two categories are pretty common, too.
Better Globe has already had many good achievements. i.e. through intensive and systematic research, mortality of seedlings has fallen from (normally in the area) 40 % to about 5 % the first crucial year after the planting, and it is expected that further improvement will come!
So far the weight has been put on creating the right foundation for the implementation of Better Globe's visions. Better Globe is a young company, about three years old. There are not so many websites on the internet that can be referred to, due to the fact that the trees planted are still young and have not yet come to their "harvesting season" . Therefore, greenteadrinker, I can not supply you with much of that. What I do have, however, is a letter from former UN General Secretary Kofi Annan wishing Better Globe the best luck (i.e with an anti corruption campaign based on the book "Put integrity first", written by the CEO of Better Globe, Rino Solberg. This e-book can be downloaded here (free): http://www.africaintegrity.com . In addition to this, some tree buyers and donators have, on the website http://www.rikatillsammans.se, published some reports on the projects. These day-by-day reports, written in conjunction with their visit to the Better Globe plantations in Kenya, are written in Norwegian and Swedish, thus they will not help English speaking readers. However, for those interested, the reports contain some documentary photos. http://www.rikatillsammans.se/2008/06/1 ... ch-uganda/
What has been achieved during these three years?
Better Globe has built a test farm of 45 acres in Kibwezi south in Kenya. Here's where the comprehensive test programme is carried out, and many local farmers, as well as leaders from other tree planting companies, come here to learn modern tree planting, farming and water management.
100,000 trees are planted as a pilot-project in the Kiambere district.
It has made an ”Environment Impact Assement” study.
It has made a ”Feasibility Study”.
It has built a huge database, to follow up the trees of the tree owners.
Governments of Kenya og Uganda give their full support to Better Globes projects in their countries (On DVD, but not as internet link)
Signed an Agreement of leasing an area of 60.700 Ha in the Sosoma district. Millions of trees are to be planted here.
Taken into account that Better Globe has been an actor in the tree planting market just for a few years its significance is astonishing, not in numbers, but in achievements. In fact Better Globe is leading the way out of the compliance as to solving two of the major problems of the world.
My advice to the interested reader is to follow up this company to see what it achieves over time.The best way of doing this is to follow it from the inside. This can be achieved by taking a little risk of buying ONE TREE at 15 Euro. (Which will give you back 169 euro during the next 20 years. No more obligations, but be sure AT ONCE to put off the default option of buying the same amount of trees next month. You can put it off when you log in to your own Better Globe site which you are given after the purchase (it's easy)) . If this still looks good after some time, and you are convinced that this is trustworthy, more trees can of course be bought.
http://www.betterglobe.com/8812
Jon
Why does Better Globe want to do so? Because to Better Globe this is not only a matter of giving profit to those buying trees, it is also a matter of giving substancial contributions to the solution of two of the most serious problems of the world, poverty and the carbon problem. This is done by using vast deforested and degraded areas and turn it into fertile land, to the benefit of the environment, both locally and globally. At the same time it gives working possibilities and a new hope for the future in many African countries.This is quite a vision! An organisation aiming at such goals, in order to match the enormous challenges it has to overcome, therefore needs a team of leaders and workers that is both visionaire and has skills and integrity. And Better Globe has!
The slogan of Better Globe is Making money - doing good, and it reflects exactly the visions of Better Globe. Both tree buyers and donators are welcome. Tree buyers buy trees, of course, donators give, on a monthly base, away trees to poor African farmers, and in addition to this - amounts to school building and to a micro finance fund. Combinations of these two categories are pretty common, too.
Better Globe has already had many good achievements. i.e. through intensive and systematic research, mortality of seedlings has fallen from (normally in the area) 40 % to about 5 % the first crucial year after the planting, and it is expected that further improvement will come!
So far the weight has been put on creating the right foundation for the implementation of Better Globe's visions. Better Globe is a young company, about three years old. There are not so many websites on the internet that can be referred to, due to the fact that the trees planted are still young and have not yet come to their "harvesting season" . Therefore, greenteadrinker, I can not supply you with much of that. What I do have, however, is a letter from former UN General Secretary Kofi Annan wishing Better Globe the best luck (i.e with an anti corruption campaign based on the book "Put integrity first", written by the CEO of Better Globe, Rino Solberg. This e-book can be downloaded here (free): http://www.africaintegrity.com . In addition to this, some tree buyers and donators have, on the website http://www.rikatillsammans.se, published some reports on the projects. These day-by-day reports, written in conjunction with their visit to the Better Globe plantations in Kenya, are written in Norwegian and Swedish, thus they will not help English speaking readers. However, for those interested, the reports contain some documentary photos. http://www.rikatillsammans.se/2008/06/1 ... ch-uganda/
What has been achieved during these three years?
Better Globe has built a test farm of 45 acres in Kibwezi south in Kenya. Here's where the comprehensive test programme is carried out, and many local farmers, as well as leaders from other tree planting companies, come here to learn modern tree planting, farming and water management.
100,000 trees are planted as a pilot-project in the Kiambere district.
It has made an ”Environment Impact Assement” study.
It has made a ”Feasibility Study”.
It has built a huge database, to follow up the trees of the tree owners.
Governments of Kenya og Uganda give their full support to Better Globes projects in their countries (On DVD, but not as internet link)
Signed an Agreement of leasing an area of 60.700 Ha in the Sosoma district. Millions of trees are to be planted here.
Taken into account that Better Globe has been an actor in the tree planting market just for a few years its significance is astonishing, not in numbers, but in achievements. In fact Better Globe is leading the way out of the compliance as to solving two of the major problems of the world.
My advice to the interested reader is to follow up this company to see what it achieves over time.The best way of doing this is to follow it from the inside. This can be achieved by taking a little risk of buying ONE TREE at 15 Euro. (Which will give you back 169 euro during the next 20 years. No more obligations, but be sure AT ONCE to put off the default option of buying the same amount of trees next month. You can put it off when you log in to your own Better Globe site which you are given after the purchase (it's easy)) . If this still looks good after some time, and you are convinced that this is trustworthy, more trees can of course be bought.
http://www.betterglobe.com/8812
Jon
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Re: Does money grow on trees? Yes, literally!
by Arend on Thu May 14, 2009 1:08 am
Still very little reviews. But also nothing negative. Strange.
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Re: Does money grow on trees? Yes, literally!
by joniboe on Sun May 17, 2009 5:59 pm
Hello again,
May I first draw your attention to one of the three main activities, apart from tree planting, that Better Globe supports: School building in Uganda and Kenya. In this Better Globe cooperates with an organisation named Child Africa, a charity organisation established in 1991, and whose aim is to take care of children that have serious problems surviving in the area. Child Africa organizes sponsorship for these children. As a natural development Child Africa has also started building and running schools, and Better Globe gives part of each donation from their donor members to Child Africa's school building programme.These projects started three years ago. 20 % of the pupils of Better Globe/Child Africa schools are deaf, and all pupils and teachers must therefore learn sign language. Another speciality is that integrity and honesty is among the subjets that the children learn. Corruption is a problem in Kenya and Uganda, as well as in most of the African countries, and by this the hope is to gradually diminish the problem. (start with the children and give them good ideals). Since 2006 three schools have been built or refurbished, and this fall a new school for 2000 pupils is going to be built in Kabale in Uganda.
Child Africa's web-site is here:
http://www.childafrica.org/
There is also a web-site of a university professor (Camebridge in England) who one day showed up in one of the Better Globe/ChildAfrica schools in Uganda. Read about her impressions here:
http://www.cambridgetoafrica.org/sponsor.htm
To Better Globe, which is a so-called "social enterprise", both doing good and making money it is important. Therefore, beside the tree planting programme, which is the main activity of Better Globe, school building, donation of trees to the Africans, and micro finance are the three "doing-good-activities" that Better Globe supports/participates in.
Now to another important point as regards Better Globes "doing good" involvement: Many of the new schools to be built will be in the same areas as the tree plantations of Better Globe. That means that in some years, these areas will have many people with some education, hopefully job possibilities in the area will be better with the tree planting and micro finance programme, and they will stay in the area they belong to and by this gradually lift the whole community to a higher level. Some of them will start their own business. At least this is the plan. Of course many obstacles will have to be overcome.
Better Globe reviews? Well, as I have said before, there are some in Swedish and Norwegian reviews, among others a day-by-day description of a tour organised to Kenya and Uganda for the donation members and the tree buyers of Better Globe. I will ask the authors to translate into English. Also have in mind that, as a young company, yeld from the tree purchase will be payed for the first time in 2010, 5 years after purchase, in accordance with the agreement. So, in a way, there is not so much to write about yet unless what is happening in the plantations, if trees grow, if schools are built, if the company is on schedule and such things. I have noticed that persons that have visited the plantations, have also come home again "with a light in their eyes", and phrases like "trip of my life", "fully convinced" "I never thought it was so well considered" are used. I also have lots of pictures of the planted trees, and a DVD, too, but this forum does not allow me to upload it... So I'll try to support you with some more links on the internet.
Some weeks ago, in the Ugandan paper "The Monitor" there was an article on both Child Africa and Better Globe. Here is the link:
http://www.monitor.co.ug/artman/publish ... 2021.shtml
Log in at http://www.betterglobe.com/8812 to learn more about Better Globe, or to buy a tree. Keep asking me questions! I'll try to answer.
Jon
May I first draw your attention to one of the three main activities, apart from tree planting, that Better Globe supports: School building in Uganda and Kenya. In this Better Globe cooperates with an organisation named Child Africa, a charity organisation established in 1991, and whose aim is to take care of children that have serious problems surviving in the area. Child Africa organizes sponsorship for these children. As a natural development Child Africa has also started building and running schools, and Better Globe gives part of each donation from their donor members to Child Africa's school building programme.These projects started three years ago. 20 % of the pupils of Better Globe/Child Africa schools are deaf, and all pupils and teachers must therefore learn sign language. Another speciality is that integrity and honesty is among the subjets that the children learn. Corruption is a problem in Kenya and Uganda, as well as in most of the African countries, and by this the hope is to gradually diminish the problem. (start with the children and give them good ideals). Since 2006 three schools have been built or refurbished, and this fall a new school for 2000 pupils is going to be built in Kabale in Uganda.
Child Africa's web-site is here:
http://www.childafrica.org/
There is also a web-site of a university professor (Camebridge in England) who one day showed up in one of the Better Globe/ChildAfrica schools in Uganda. Read about her impressions here:
http://www.cambridgetoafrica.org/sponsor.htm
To Better Globe, which is a so-called "social enterprise", both doing good and making money it is important. Therefore, beside the tree planting programme, which is the main activity of Better Globe, school building, donation of trees to the Africans, and micro finance are the three "doing-good-activities" that Better Globe supports/participates in.
Now to another important point as regards Better Globes "doing good" involvement: Many of the new schools to be built will be in the same areas as the tree plantations of Better Globe. That means that in some years, these areas will have many people with some education, hopefully job possibilities in the area will be better with the tree planting and micro finance programme, and they will stay in the area they belong to and by this gradually lift the whole community to a higher level. Some of them will start their own business. At least this is the plan. Of course many obstacles will have to be overcome.
Better Globe reviews? Well, as I have said before, there are some in Swedish and Norwegian reviews, among others a day-by-day description of a tour organised to Kenya and Uganda for the donation members and the tree buyers of Better Globe. I will ask the authors to translate into English. Also have in mind that, as a young company, yeld from the tree purchase will be payed for the first time in 2010, 5 years after purchase, in accordance with the agreement. So, in a way, there is not so much to write about yet unless what is happening in the plantations, if trees grow, if schools are built, if the company is on schedule and such things. I have noticed that persons that have visited the plantations, have also come home again "with a light in their eyes", and phrases like "trip of my life", "fully convinced" "I never thought it was so well considered" are used. I also have lots of pictures of the planted trees, and a DVD, too, but this forum does not allow me to upload it... So I'll try to support you with some more links on the internet.
Some weeks ago, in the Ugandan paper "The Monitor" there was an article on both Child Africa and Better Globe. Here is the link:
http://www.monitor.co.ug/artman/publish ... 2021.shtml
Log in at http://www.betterglobe.com/8812 to learn more about Better Globe, or to buy a tree. Keep asking me questions! I'll try to answer.
Jon
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Re: Does money grow on trees? Yes, literally!
by sustain-able on Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:06 am
This looks reasonable to me. How do I join?
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Re: Does money grow on trees? Yes, literally!
by joniboe on Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:07 pm
You just login here: http://www.betterglobe.com/8812. If you want to buy a tree, click on the stone with the text " Buy trees". A new page shows up, click the button "Invest in trees" at the right side of the page, and you will be asked to fill in your name and address and so on...You will be instructed what to do. You will be asked to fill in your credit card info. This information will be encrypted immediately, and thus safe. You can also delete this information after the purchase. At the end, choose the amount of trees you want to buy, and confirm your purchase at the bottom of the page. If this is a "test tree", don't forget to turn off the automatic function of buying one tree each month after this purchase. You have to login to your new personal Better Globe website (with your username (your e-mail-address) and password that you have chosen) then and do it from the inside. If you want to delete your credit card info, you also have to login and do it from the inside. If you have problems doing anything of this, send me a private message, and I will help you.
Seconds after you have confirmed your purchase a welcome greeting will appear on your screen, and a personal message will also be sent to your e-mail address.
If you want to give one or more donations, click on the stone with the text "Donation member", and the rest is similar to buying trees.
Jon
Seconds after you have confirmed your purchase a welcome greeting will appear on your screen, and a personal message will also be sent to your e-mail address.
If you want to give one or more donations, click on the stone with the text "Donation member", and the rest is similar to buying trees.
Jon
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Re: Does money grow on trees? Yes, literally!
by darrell on Sun Jun 07, 2009 9:48 pm
Yes, Money does grow on trees. I have spent years planning a tropical hardwood plantation on the Big Island of Hawaii. I had always thought it would be a project for family and a few close friends. The growing awareness of climate change and the role that deforestation plays caused this project to take on a life of its own. With the help of so many like minded people we expect to plant 1.5 million trees in the next 5 years.
Prince Charles has launched a campaign to save the rainforest. We just posted a link on our website for our tree owners and other concerned individuals to sign up and show their support for this noble goal.
http://www.hawaiianlegacyhardwoods.com
Prince Charles has launched a campaign to save the rainforest. We just posted a link on our website for our tree owners and other concerned individuals to sign up and show their support for this noble goal.
http://www.hawaiianlegacyhardwoods.com
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Re: Does money grow on trees? Yes, literally!
by joniboe on Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:27 pm
Interesting website. I can see we have many things in common, but there are also big differences. Most significant, Better Globe's committment to eradicate poverty in Africa differs substantically from your project, which can be seen as a mere investment aimed to give yield to those investing, and of course the contribution to the environment by the assimilation of carbon.
Another big difference is that Better Globe is planting trees in semi-arid areas, using irrigation systems, and has even achieved very good results by doing so. This means Better Globe has found a way of fighting back the erosion of soil on the savanna, and has even made it possible to grow food inbetween the trees! A win-win-win situation! (Climate, tree buyers, rural population of Kenya)
But of course, I wish you the best of luck! We fight together against the climate change.
Jon
My website
http://www.betterglobe.com/8812
Another big difference is that Better Globe is planting trees in semi-arid areas, using irrigation systems, and has even achieved very good results by doing so. This means Better Globe has found a way of fighting back the erosion of soil on the savanna, and has even made it possible to grow food inbetween the trees! A win-win-win situation! (Climate, tree buyers, rural population of Kenya)
But of course, I wish you the best of luck! We fight together against the climate change.
Jon
My website
http://www.betterglobe.com/8812
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Re: Does money grow on trees? Yes, literally!
by joniboe on Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:31 pm
It is often said that coping with the carbon problem will cost a lot of money. False! If you buy a Better Globe tree to be planted in Kenya your expences will be paid back 11 times and you will at the same time get a reduction of your carbon footprint, as it assimilates 500 kgs of CO2 during its lifetime.
Jon
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Re: Does money grow on trees? Yes, literally!
by Stones on Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:31 pm
You cant be serious, is it really people out there that belive in this treepyramids?
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Re: Does money grow on trees? Yes, literally!
by joniboe on Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:24 pm
Tree pyramids......Well, I can tell by the way you say this that you can't have read much of what I have written. Nor do you know the nature of a pyramid. If there were a cheater among us, do you think he would have built a pyramid based on the growth of trees? I would say it is not possible! Better Globe's concept is based on long-term thinking, as long as 20 years. Pyramids pop up overnight and those who are invited to join are lured to think of big fortunes within a month or two. But as pyramids have no product to sell, they are dead within a year or so. Founders get away with the money, the rest pay for the party. This is not the nature of Better Globe. Better Globe is based on transparency and integrity, and can document every cent it has used and what it has achieved. Please look at the links that I have conveyed in my articles, look at the pictures, think for a moment that this could be a great company with great ideas - think openminded! But by all means, do your research!
If you still think this is a pyramid, at least tell this forum why you think so! Or else, you must be the one of us that is not serious.
Jon
If you still think this is a pyramid, at least tell this forum why you think so! Or else, you must be the one of us that is not serious.
Jon
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Re: Does money grow on trees? Yes, literally!
by Beenburned on Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:02 pm
Check out this link before investing in any tree plantation scheme.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/bo ... rd_id=7823
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/bo ... rd_id=7823
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